Comments on: See, this is what gets me… http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/ For those of us who want real freedom on our own terms. By Taran Jordan. Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:31:43 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Taran Jordan http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6761 Taran Jordan Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:54:43 +0000 http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6761 Ah, my mistake, Brian, and my apology to you. I see your point, and I know the powers that be would be viciously thrilled to bury RP in that kind of dirt. However, hope springs eternal - Ron Paul is the one candidate who can't be utterly smeared, because his record is just too good, decent, and clean. And his supporters are too loyal to be alienated by the smear attempts. On the contrary, they're becoming more and more elated - the old media tactics aren't succeeding against their man! If this is the best "they" have to throw at him, maybe, just maybe things really are looking up for RP and for freedom. There was a good piece on LRC today about this issue: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/malone2.html I am no longer a political animal in the soapbox sense, personally. I'd much rather live my life as a happy, peaceful, laissez-faire anarchist. But since Ron Paul wants to abolish the IRS and prune the tentacles of Leviathan, and since I see him having a real chance, well, hell, I'll even go vote one last time. But only for him. I'm no starry-eyed fanatic, but I'm certain there isn't a single other candidate worth the gas to drive to the polling place. Merry Christmas, Good Yule, and Happy New Year to you, and to all my kind readers, too! Ah, my mistake, Brian, and my apology to you.

I see your point, and I know the powers that be would be viciously thrilled to bury RP in that kind of dirt. However, hope springs eternal – Ron Paul is the one candidate who can’t be utterly smeared, because his record is just too good, decent, and clean.

And his supporters are too loyal to be alienated by the smear attempts. On the contrary, they’re becoming more and more elated – the old media tactics aren’t succeeding against their man! If this is the best “they” have to throw at him, maybe, just maybe things really are looking up for RP and for freedom.

There was a good piece on LRC today about this issue:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/malone2.html

I am no longer a political animal in the soapbox sense, personally. I’d much rather live my life as a happy, peaceful, laissez-faire anarchist. But since Ron Paul wants to abolish the IRS and prune the tentacles of Leviathan, and since I see him having a real chance, well, hell, I’ll even go vote one last time. But only for him. I’m no starry-eyed fanatic, but I’m certain there isn’t a single other candidate worth the gas to drive to the polling place.

Merry Christmas, Good Yule, and Happy New Year to you, and to all my kind readers, too!

]]> By: Brian N. http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6760 Brian N. Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:31:06 +0000 http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6760 Forgot the Post-script to the previous comment: PS - Merry Christmas, and, if I don't contact you again before the time comes, Happy New Year as well. Forgot the Post-script to the previous comment:

PS – Merry Christmas, and, if I don’t contact you again before the time comes, Happy New Year as well.

]]> By: Brian N. http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6759 Brian N. Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:30:22 +0000 http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6759 Not at all smug, more upset. I think that Paul's completely innocent of what he's going to be blasted with on the basis of that photograph (follow the link to Beck's place in the previous post) but there's no denying what will happen; his chances of getting elected were uncertain before, he's unquestionably out now. It's such a perfect way to ruin a candidacy, especially an outsider candidacy, that I suspect a set-up. I think Paul's carried himself very well, represented his ideas clearly, and made Giuliani and many others look like complete Putzes. Not at all smug, more upset. I think that Paul’s completely innocent of what he’s going to be blasted with on the basis of that photograph (follow the link to Beck’s place in the previous post) but there’s no denying what will happen; his chances of getting elected were uncertain before, he’s unquestionably out now. It’s such a perfect way to ruin a candidacy, especially an outsider candidacy, that I suspect a set-up. I think Paul’s carried himself very well, represented his ideas clearly, and made Giuliani and many others look like complete Putzes.

]]> By: Taran Jordan http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6758 Taran Jordan Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:22:44 +0000 http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6758 B.W. - True, one man in government does not utter freedom make. And hedging makes sense everywhere you look nowadays, I'm, coming to realize. Brian - After yesterday's Meet the Press grilling, which went better than I expected, I tend to think you're wrong. Curious - did I detect a smug note in your comment? Standard - Hey, man! Long time no shoot! Glad you're doing well. I'll drop you an email shortly. B.W. – True, one man in government does not utter freedom make. And hedging makes sense everywhere you look nowadays, I’m, coming to realize.

Brian – After yesterday’s Meet the Press grilling, which went better than I expected, I tend to think you’re wrong. Curious – did I detect a smug note in your comment?

Standard – Hey, man! Long time no shoot! Glad you’re doing well. I’ll drop you an email shortly.

]]> By: standard issue http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6757 standard issue Mon, 24 Dec 2007 04:48:11 +0000 http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6757 Lightning - Been trying to get in contact with you and Thunder, since I seen the forum go weird. I'd like to reconnect with you guys. standard issue Lightning – Been trying to get in contact with you and Thunder, since I seen the forum go weird. I’d like to reconnect with you guys.

standard issue

]]> By: Brian N. http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6756 Brian N. Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:12:45 +0000 http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6756 I think Ron Paul's days as a presidential hopeful are over: http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php?id=P3488 I think Ron Paul’s days as a presidential hopeful are over:

http://www.two–four.net/weblog.php?id=P3488

]]> By: B.W. Richardson http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6564 B.W. Richardson Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:11:49 +0000 http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6564 Freedom is not dependent on who or what the government is. That ancient diplomat/politician got it right when he wrote of inalienable rights we are born with. Governments are created to secure those rights but eventually, by their very nature, they instead wear away at them. But in the end, freedom is an internal thing. I keep coming back to a movie scene - Dr. Zhivago? - where a man about to die tells his torturers, "I'm the only free man in this room," and the others look at each other uneasily, knowing he spoke the truth. I think you're right to have hope that people recognize Ron Paul speaks closer to the truth than most of his ilk, but you're also right to hedge your bet. Freedom is not dependent on who or what the government is. That ancient diplomat/politician got it right when he wrote of inalienable rights we are born with. Governments are created to secure those rights but eventually, by their very nature, they instead wear away at them. But in the end, freedom is an internal thing. I keep coming back to a movie scene – Dr. Zhivago? – where a man about to die tells his torturers, “I’m the only free man in this room,” and the others look at each other uneasily, knowing he spoke the truth.

I think you’re right to have hope that people recognize Ron Paul speaks closer to the truth than most of his ilk, but you’re also right to hedge your bet.

]]> By: Taran Jordan http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6552 Taran Jordan Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:02:12 +0000 http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6552 @Pint - Haven't seen that movie, but Goddess knows we're living in a sea of BS nowadays... @Morrigan - Yep, I have my cynical times too. There are plenty of unpleasant possible outcomes and permutations ahead. I do wonder, though, if a real rEVOLution might be igniting among the "rank and file" - and how they might then react should the PTB make things go all pear-shaped. People, quite a few people anyway, aren't nearly as oblivious or sheeplefied as I used to think. @Pint – Haven’t seen that movie, but Goddess knows we’re living in a sea of BS nowadays…

@Morrigan – Yep, I have my cynical times too. There are plenty of unpleasant possible outcomes and permutations ahead. I do wonder, though, if a real rEVOLution might be igniting among the “rank and file” – and how they might then react should the PTB make things go all pear-shaped. People, quite a few people anyway, aren’t nearly as oblivious or sheeplefied as I used to think.

]]> By: morrigan http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6542 morrigan Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:34:25 +0000 http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6542 I guess I have a fatalistic view of this soap opera also known as the presidential election. My gut tells me that it has been decided and all the drama of campaigns is a mere distraction to hold the attention of the masses. I can see this unfolding two different ways: Scenario 1- The new president (which ever, just a different face) will continue with business as usual. Scenario 2- There will not be a new president. Some plan of another terrorist attack occurs, martial law is declared, elections are suspended and well you can imagine the rest. I guess I have a fatalistic view of this soap opera also known as the presidential election. My gut tells me that it has been decided and all the drama of campaigns is a mere distraction to hold the attention of the masses. I can see this unfolding two different ways:
Scenario 1- The new president (which ever, just a different face) will continue with business as usual.
Scenario 2- There will not be a new president. Some plan of another terrorist attack occurs, martial law is declared, elections are suspended and well you can imagine the rest.

]]> By: PintofStout http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6541 PintofStout Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:31:02 +0000 http://taranjordan.wordpress.com/2007/12/02/see-this-is-what-gets-me/#comment-6541 I read somewhere that the author (the one I was reading somewhere) takes inspiration from the movie <i>Hope Floats</i>. It gives her hope. I could only think that if hope was substantial at all, that bastard would surely sink....unless, of course, it was in a sea of b.s., in which case in might "float." I read somewhere that the author (the one I was reading somewhere) takes inspiration from the movie Hope Floats. It gives her hope. I could only think that if hope was substantial at all, that bastard would surely sink….unless, of course, it was in a sea of b.s., in which case in might “float.”

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